Feb 07

As a follow up to http://cybercjh.com/blog/2008/02/05/15-tb-of-external-storage-89-off-dells-price-mistake/, I have filed the following complaint with the Florida Attorney General.

I write to you today to file a complaint against dell.com, a website selling computers and related items, run by Dell Inc., One Dell Way, Round Rock, Texas 78682. I believe Dell participates in deceptive trade practices and false advertisement to obtain personally identifiable information about current and potential customers that they then inappropriately, and possibly illegally, use to their advantage. (Background Info…) In order to purchase an item from Dell’s website, you must enter personally identifiable information, including, but limited to, your full name, shipping address, billing address, telephone number, e-mail address, credit card number and expiration date and/or banking account routing number and account number. Dell then uses this information to, not only allegedly complete your transaction and ship what you ordered, but also to compile detailed statistical sales reports and to send advertisements for their products and services. (Complaint starts here…) However, Dell consistently prices items incorrectly on their website and only after the customer completes the online request to order that item and has entered their personally identifiable information does Dell then refuse to complete the transaction by shipping the item ordered. This practice has gone on for quite some time. As far back as 2003, Dell was selling a PDA on its website that normally retailed for $379 for just $79. After potentially thousands of customers placed an order for this PDA by going to dell.com and divulging their personally identifiable information to Dell, Dell refused to ship the items unless the customers agreed to pay full price. Otherwise, their orders were canceled. But, Dell kept the personally identifiable information of those customers even though they did not use it to complete a transaction. Another example of this practice by Dell includes an incident from 2007 involving a FujiFilm FinePix S700 digital camera where Dell was listing them item for sale on their website for $29.99 when the actual price was $299.99. Again, after potentially thousands of customers entered their personally identifiable information, Dell canceled the orders unless those customers agreed to pay the higher price. And again, Dell kept the personally identifiable information of those customers even though they did not use it to complete a transaction. Another more recent example of this practice by Dell includes an incident from this week where Dell was selling a SimpleTech 1.5 TB External Hard Drive for $67.99 when the actual price was $599.99. Again, after potentially thousands (or perhaps tens of thousands) of customers entered their personally identifiable information, Dell canceled the orders unless those customers agreed to pay the higher price but kept the personally identifiable information of those customers even though they did not use it to complete a transaction. A simple search on the Internet would lead you to many, many more examples of this deceptive practice.

To summarize my complaint, Dell …

(1) consistently and methodically prices items on their website well below their manufacturer’s suggested retail price, knowing that by doing so will generate a huge interest in that item, but does not have any intentions of actually shipping said items at the incorrect price, in order to obtain personally identifiable information about potential and current customers, and then
(2) only after the customers have entered their personally identifiable information, cancels the orders for those items unless the customers agree to pay a higher price for the item (notwithstanding their purported disclaimer that they are not responsible for such errors), and then
(3) does not give those customers the option of deleting their personally identifiable information from Dell’s servers, records and/or databases, and then
(4) uses said personally identifiable information to compile detailed statistical sales reports that are then used for their own gain and to send unwanted advertisements for their products and services.

As you can see, the complaint is not that Dell refuses to complete transactions when they incorrectly price an item. The complaint is that Dell keeps the personally identifiable information, even if the transaction was not successfully completed, and then uses that information inappropriately and possibly illegally, for their own financial gain.

Update 4/21/08 … Due to spam, the ability to comment on this post has been disabled.

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Feb 05

Over the weekend, Dell was selling the SimpleTech Duo Pro Drive USB2.0/eSATA 1.5 TB External Hard Drive on dell.com for $67.99. The MSRP for this device is $599.99. It’s a good looking device – check it out …

15tb

So, needless to say I bought 2 of them. That was Sunday night. As of now (Tuesday morning), my order is still pending. And, these is a thread thousands of posts long with people who also bought one. But, none of us know if we’re going to actually get what we ordered.

Dell has since taken the item off their website sometime late Sunday night or early Monday morning. Some people say they’ve received tracking numbers for their orders. Others state their orders say ‘in production.’ Both of mine still say ‘pending.’ Others say Dell has called them to confirm their shipping address. So, it’s anyone’s guess at this point. Will we get the drives or won’t we? One thing is for sure at this point – no one’s order has been canceled yet.

But, the bigger questions are … Was this a simple price mistake? Or, a deliberate attempt by Dell to get your personal information and put you on their mailing list? And, should they be obligated to honor the price they posted on their website? Here’s my logic …

If you go to a store and the price tag on the shelf is incorrect, this is how the transaction usually goes …

  1. Put product in cart.
  2. Take cart to checkout.
  3. Cashier rings up item at incorrect price. PRICING ERROR.
  4. Manager called – price override or transaction canceled.
  5. If override, personal information provided (credit card, possibly zip code or phone number, etc.)

But, when you purchase something online at an incorrect price, in this instance dell.com, this is how the transaction will probably go …

  1. Put product in cart.
  2. Click Checkout.
  3. Personal information provided (credit card, billing/shipping address, e-mail address, etc.)
  4. Receive order confirmation.
  5. PRICING ERROR. Order canceled.

When shopping online, the ‘price tag’ is the price displayed on the website. And, when you click ‘checkout,’ that’s akin to walking up to the cashier.

In some states, stores are obligated by law to sell you an item for the price posted, no matter how gross the error is, until the incorrect price tag is replaced with a correct one.

After you click checkout and before enter your personal information, Dell (or any online store) should double-check the price that they’re selling you an item for. This could be done systemically by comparing the current price to the MSRP and previous sales. Only once Dell is totally sure they’re selling an item at the correct price should you be obligated to provide your personal information to complete the transaction – just like how it works in traditional brick & mortar stores.

Requiring you to enter your personal information to complete a transaction only to have them cancel it due to their mistake is the opposite of how the system should work. Once they ask for and accept your personal information, they should be obligated to complete the transaction.

So, I think they answer is, yes, they should be obligated to complete this transaction. By asking for and accepting your personal information, they’ve past the point where they can cancel the transaction. They’ve opted to continue with it and complete the order.

But, maybe they do have the intentions of completing the order. Remember, they haven’t canceled anyone’s order yet. Let’s wait and see what happens …

Update 02/06/08 9:00am … Both of my orders still say ‘pending.’ And, I have not yet received cancellation e-mails for either of my orders from Dell. But, the folks on SlickDeals are reporting that they are receiving cancellation e-mails that go something like this…

Dear Valued Customer,

Thank you for your recent order.

We regret that, because of a pricing error, we have cancelled this order as it relates to a SimpleTech 1.5 TB Hi-Speed USB/eSata-300 Duo Pro External Hard Drive.

As you may have noticed, Dell specifically indicates on our web pages, catalogs, advertising and order-confirmation that Dell cannot be responsible for pricing or other errors, and reserves the right to cancel orders arising from such errors.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. We truly value our relationship and reputation with our customers. Please be assured that we are working hard to avoid similar issues.

We invite you to visit www.dell.com or call 1-800-999-3355 if you wish to place an order for this product at its correct price.

Sincerely,
Dell

And, people that were smart enough (not me) to choose overnight shipping seemed to get their drive shipped. Good thinking. Next time, I will choose overnight shipping as that seems to increase your odds of getting the item at the incorrect price.

Update 02/06/08 11:30am … Strange. I just got the following e-mail from someone named Leticia @ Dell…

While processing your recent online order, we were unable to obtain authorization from your card issuer for this purchase.

Please contact your card issuer for assistance by calling the customer service phone number provided on the back of your card. When the issue is resolved, call us at 1-877-819-3355 with your Order Number(s) for further processing.

Order Number(s)
XXXXXXXXX [sic]

What’s strange is that (1) there was no reason for the charge to my credit card to be declined and (2) the order number on Leticia’s e-mail was actually ‘XXXXXXXXX’ – it was all Xs. So, I e-mailed my credit card company to see what’s up.

I called Dell at 1-877-819-3355 and their automated system told me they were closed. This, despite the fact that their e-mail goes on to say their hours of operation are 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Central time Monday – Friday; 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Central time Saturday and Sunday. I finally got through on my fifth attempt.

I spoke to a man in India who couldn’t find my order based on my Dell Purchase ID. So, he transferred me to a woman in India. She said she couldn’t help me and would have to transfer me to the finance department. I then spoke to another woman in India who wanted me to apply for a Dell credit account. No thank you! Not after all these shenanigans! She said she couldn’t help me and transferred me to sales. The automated system kept insisting that I input my social security number. Who are you kidding? Dell doesn’t need my SSN. They’re a computer company, not the IRS. I wouldn’t enter it and the system kept telling me, “Sorry. I’m having trouble understanding you. Please say your social security number now.”

It finally gave up and transferred me to a sales representative at extension 7284517. He couldn’t find my order, either. He said he’d place a new order. When I told him what it was for and for how much, he said to me, in the most incomprehensible voice possible, “That was a mistake on our website. As you may have noticed, Dell specifically indicates on our web pages, catalogs, advertising and order-confirmation that Dell cannot be responsible for pricing or other errors and reserves the right to cancel orders arising from such errors. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. We truly value our relationship and reputation with our customers. Please be assured that we are working hard to avoid similar issues.”

Yeah, right.

Update 02/06/08 1:00pm … My order is now officially canceled. Here is the e-mail from Dell. What Dell is really trying to say is in [red]*.

Dear Valued Customer, [Dear Brainless sap who just gave us all of your personal information including your home address, credit card number and e-mail address. Prepare to be spam'ed. MMUUHHHAAAHAHAHA!]

Thank you for your recent order.

We regret that, because of a pricing error, we have cancelled this order as it relates to a SimpleTech 1.5 TB Hi-Speed USB/eSata-300 Duo Pro External Hard Drive. [Deys ain't no way we gonna be sellin' you no $600 drive for no $70, chump!]

As you may have noticed, Dell specifically indicates on our web pages, catalogs, advertising and order-confirmation that Dell cannot be responsible for pricing or other errors [Mainly because we're too stupid and too lazy to prevent them from happening in the first place], and reserves the right to cancel orders arising from such errors [CYA, baby!].

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. We truly value our relationship and reputation with our customers. [Give us your money, you piece of filth!] Please be assured that we are working hard to avoid similar issues [Oh yes, we are working hard. By the way, we're running out to Dunkin' Donuts. You want anything?].

We invite you to visit www.dell.com or call 1-800-915-3355, if you wish to place an order for this product at its correct price.

Sincerely,
Dell Inc.

* Of course, it’s all just my opinion.

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